Comments on: Frog Trap http://www.familiar-ground.com/2009/07/29/frog-trap/ An epic fantasy comedy, from a familiar point of view. Thu, 05 Jan 2012 10:30:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tony http://www.familiar-ground.com/2009/07/29/frog-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-292 Tony Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:23:21 +0000 http://www.familiar-ground.com/2009/07/29/frog-trap/#comment-292 It really depends on the caster. My wizard is always pressed for actions and doesn't tend to move around very much - too many sustain powers. I've never been in a situation with him where it's been worthwhile to even think about attempting stealth. My gnome warlock on the other hand is practically a 3rd ed Arcane Trickster. The gnome racial abilities and the portable concealment of the warlock's Shadow Walk are all really useful tools for a sneak. He's even got the feat that lets him stay stealthed if he attacks but misses. And minor action Ghost Sound when invisible or hidden can be loads of fun. It really depends on the caster. My wizard is always pressed for actions and doesn’t tend to move around very much – too many sustain powers. I’ve never been in a situation with him where it’s been worthwhile to even think about attempting stealth.

My gnome warlock on the other hand is practically a 3rd ed Arcane Trickster. The gnome racial abilities and the portable concealment of the warlock’s Shadow Walk are all really useful tools for a sneak. He’s even got the feat that lets him stay stealthed if he attacks but misses. And minor action Ghost Sound when invisible or hidden can be loads of fun.

]]> By: Cedric http://www.familiar-ground.com/2009/07/29/frog-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-290 Cedric Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:29:16 +0000 http://www.familiar-ground.com/2009/07/29/frog-trap/#comment-290 You can use a move action to get full cover/concealment with your move action the first round and use your move action on the second round to gain line of sight (while still retaining some cover/concealment) before attacking. Even without proficiency, you still have a decent chance of beating your target's passive perception. So basically, you can use Stealth for a free +2 to hit every other round. You can use a move action to get full cover/concealment with your move action the first round and use your move action on the second round to gain line of sight (while still retaining some cover/concealment) before attacking. Even without proficiency, you still have a decent chance of beating your target’s passive perception.

So basically, you can use Stealth for a free +2 to hit every other round.

]]> By: Sithobi1 http://www.familiar-ground.com/2009/07/29/frog-trap/comment-page-1/#comment-289 Sithobi1 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:18:35 +0000 http://www.familiar-ground.com/2009/07/29/frog-trap/#comment-289 The main reason is that most casters don't have a high Stealth check(sorcerers?), and spending a move action to gain Stealth means moving into Superior Cover or Total Concealment, which means that your target has at least cover or concealment from your attack(unless you're in a cloud and can't see each other, in which case you cannot see your enemy, and thus cannot gain CA anyway). And the -2 penalty from cover/concealment cancels out the +2 to hit. The main reason is that most casters don’t have a high Stealth check(sorcerers?), and spending a move action to gain Stealth means moving into Superior Cover or Total Concealment, which means that your target has at least cover or concealment from your attack(unless you’re in a cloud and can’t see each other, in which case you cannot see your enemy, and thus cannot gain CA anyway). And the -2 penalty from cover/concealment cancels out the +2 to hit.

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